From Wikipedia;
R1b1b2a1a2f2
This subclade within R-L21 is defined by the presence of the marker M222. It is particularly associated with male lines which are Irish or Scottish, but especially northern Irish. In this case, the relatively high frequency of this specific subclade among the population of certain counties in northwestern Ireland may be due to positive social selection, as it is suggested to have been the Y-chromosome haplogroup of the Uí Néill dynastic kindred of ancient Ireland.[30] However it is not restricted to the Uí Néill as it is also associated with the closely related Connachta dynasties, called the Uí Briúin and Uí Fiachrach.[51] M222 is also found as a substantial proportion of the population of Scotland which may indicate substantial settlement from northern Ireland or at least links to it.[30][52] Those areas settled by large numbers of Irish and Scottish emigrants such as North America have a substantial percentage of M222.[30]
From Moffat DNA Project (familytreedna):
Irish 1 - Members of this cluster are descendants of the semi-mythical Irish King, Niall of the Nine Hostages or one of his male relatives. Niall is thought to have lived in the late 4th and early 5th centuries. His prolific descendants ruled Ulster and Leinster between the 6th and 10th centuries A.D. This cluster shares a common ancestor with the Irish 2 cluster between 4,500 and 1,500 years ago. Members of this cluster share a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) marker at M222. The subclade is formally known as R1b1b2a1a2f2 and is especially associated with Scottish and Irish populations. It is likely to have entered Scotland through the Dalriadic migrations of the 6th to 8th Centuries A.D. (see Irish 2 below). Both clusters share the L21 SNP mutation that defines their common subclade.
Irish 2 – A member of this cluster completed extensive SNP testing of his haplotype in late 2009 confirming that members of this cluster have the R-L21 mutation that characterises haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f. Members of this cluster share a common ancestor with the Ui Neill and Dalcassian Royal Families between 1,500 and 4,500 years ago in northwest Ireland, where these haplotypes are most prevalent. By ancient times, these Irish tribes had become a distinctly Celtic cluster of Iron Age farmers. They were known by Ptolemy, in the 2nd Century A.D. as the Voluntii. Modern scholars call them the Ulaid. By the 5th Century A.D., they had merged with surrounding tribes into a cluster called the Scotti, the people who gave their name to the modern nation of Scotland. Between the 6th and 8th Centuries A.D., this tribe established a kingdom on the west coast of Scotland called Dalriada. They eventually merged with the Picts to form the Kingdom of Alba, the precursor to medieval Scotland. It is very likely that members of this cluster came to Scotland between 500 and 700 A.D. from the region of Ulster, Ireland.
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This is extremely interesting to me. I found that I am in the paternal haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f. And who would have thought I would find this info out by doing DNA testing for possible health concerns?! This is interesting as well because I have hit a wall in my family research just before the Civil War. This predates that tremendously.
ReplyDeleteHi Wes - I'm R1b1b2a1a2f2, I'm a Malone. My father is Irish and I am trying to figure out what surnames are associated with this haplogroup, as it's a bit of fun. I live in NZ.
ReplyDeleteLMK if you want...
Thanks, Thomas.
Thomas: I'm R1b1b2a1a2f, same as you. My grandfather immigrated from Ireland and my surname is Lavin.
DeleteMy surname is Lynagh. Turlough Lynagh was the last king of ulster.
DeleteSir TURLOUGH LUINEACH
Thomas I am also a R1B1B2a1a2f2 and my surname is McGuinness what interests me is that Malon(e) is a name very intermingled with my family in the newry area of armagh (northern ireland).
ReplyDeleteR1b1b2a1a2f2 is also mine! My surname is: Blackwell.
DeleteJust to include for info: other names in ancestry: My father's mother's line=Fleming, Hazlett, my father's grandmother=Skinner, McLain.
My mother's father=Williams; My mother's mother,etc.=Coverdell, Williamson, Baldridge.
Hi all, I'm R1b1b2a1a2f* and the paternal side of my family is named Melville, from around Glasgow Scotland
ReplyDeleteI'm R1b1b2a1a2f*, our paternal name is McCreary and we can verify our paternal bloodline as McCreary/McCrery/McCreery back to mid-1700s in what is now Marshall County WV. Family lore is that our ancestors were Scots Irish, but I've been unable to make that connection.
ReplyDeleteI'm R1b1b2a1a2f* as well. I have particular interest in this haplogroup because my g-g-grandfather (born 1750 in Edinburgh, Scotland)was a bastard child raised by his maternal grandparents and took his moms name. I (being an addicted amateur genealogist)look forward to finding my paternal relation...
ReplyDeleteNot quite sure about this: I have been given a haplogroup of R1b1b2a1a2f* but I am negative for M222.
ReplyDeleteSurname is "White" and family lore was that the origin of the family was in Ireland. They lived in Stokes County, North Carolina as far back as the 1790s and prior to that are difficult to trace with certainty.
ReplyDeleteAnd Y-chromosomal haplotype is R1b1b2a1a2f* which seems to indicate Irish origin with some certainty.
ReplyDeletemy paternal uncle got his back but this haplogroup is probably from his mother's side as our surname Y line is truly English - mostly NE pilgrim stock. Is this possible?
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ReplyDeleteI've done the Ytdna at FTDNA and it comes up as
South West Irish Type 3 DNA
A very common DNA around Cork in South West Ireland.
Like some of the previous commenters I'm R1b1b2a1a2f* too. My g-g-g-g-grandfather, William Graham was born in Killiecrankie, Scotland in 1744 and emigrated to America via Belfast, Ireland with two brothers sometime in the early 1770's. By the late 1790's William was living in Kentucky. I don't know what became of the two brothers but William had a large family and many of his descendants ended up migrating west across the country to Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Colorado, and California.
ReplyDeleteI just received my Y chromosome results from 23and me indicating that my paternal line is R1b1b2a1a2f*.
ReplyDeleteWhile my maternal grandfather's mothers line were all
Canadian Hebridean immigrants this would have no baring on my paternal line.
I was told that my earliest know paternal ancestor George Hamilton Warren was most likely a lineal descendant Of James Warren the Scottish captive. The battle in which the latter was taken prisoner was in the Scottish Borders which I believe is mainly Saxon? to allow the said prisoner to be a Celt kindred member?Norman . Would there have been enough Celts in the Border area
My paternal haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2f and my surname is Magor. My earliest paternal ancestor comes from Cornwall, England (extreme southwestern peninsula).
ReplyDeleteThey say the common paternal ancestor of R1b1b2a1a2f comes from about 500 CE. So that's, what, like 60 generations ago? Given an infidelity rate of 2% per generation, I think there would be about a 30% chance of your surname coming from the common ancestor (if surnames existed then). If the infidelity rate was 3%, then that percentage would drop to about half of that.
Of course, our surnames originated hundreds of years after the common ancestor. There could be hundreds of surnames from this haplogroup. Unfortunately, most of those surnames do not even represent a direct paternal line.
Once you get to about 20-40 generations, it is just as likely you received your surname from someone who was not your biological paternal ancestor as it is that the man with that surname was your biological paternal ancestor.
Well, I'm the only one among you for whom Irish ancestry was a complete surprise... My father's father originated from Russian peasants from Tambov region of Russia. Maybe some viking brought these genes from Ireland to that region of Russia. Anyway, I lived in Ireland for several years and I'm fond of all things Irish, so this is a pleasant surprise for me :)
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